On some level we want to say that the great compositions
of, say, Beethoven are in some way 'better' than those of say, Katy
Perry whom we had a look at in MMA last year with Martin Dixon
(if you happen to think she's a great contemporary composer you may
substitute some other name which fits the bill of simply composed/kitsch
music.)
On one hand it's hard to say that it's an objective judgement of
quality, because all aesthetic experiences fall into the subjective
experience of the person receiving them. On the other hand we know we
are making a distinction between we say music is 'bad' music versus
music which is 'not my kind of thing.'
Personally I hate swing music. Despite liking something in almost every
genre of music I've never been able to cultivate a taste for Swing. But
I'm not willing to turn around and say that Quincy Jones was a ‘bad’
arranger when working with Frank Sinatra - he's clearly extremely
competent. I just personally don’t like it.
On Sunday night I heard two folk singers sing a song together where each
of their parts was incredibly sophisticated with little riffs and
inventive harmonies – I was impressed by the counterpoint because I
thought (“knew”?) it was qualitatively 'better' than if they'd just
harmonised in thirds. Not that harmonising in thirds would be “bad” or
“unpleasant” – I just felt like what I was hearing was superior.
While the lay patron could also notice a difference in complexity and
might likely agree that the more sophisticated, sung by more practiced
singers, was the “better”, it seems I've cultivated a taste that allows
me to make more complicated value judgements than non-musicians. I can
make a distinction here between say, Burt Bacharach, the composer of
great pop tunes, and Burt Bacharach the extremely competent and
innovative arranger/composer whose use of complex rhythmical phrasing
which was rare in pop music, expressive chord changes and ingenious
sequences tantalise my ear as a musician.
This impulse may sometimes lead those of us who know a bit about music
hear a song and think - "that would be better if only..." [it included
such and such an obviously missing vocal harmony, or they chose this
note or that chord instead of the one, or they took] ...
What are we saying? We're not just saying we'd prefer it, we're arguing
that we have a qualified opinion on what would improve the piece of
music.
But improve the music how? And to what ends? Is it because the pleasure
of enjoying more sophisticated music is greater than enjoying pop on the
cosmetic level?
As a theatre critic I have to make value judgments and try to offer
feedback, which is hopefully useful - either to the company or the
patrons. Both if possible. ("I particularly like the ones which, from
beneath the veil of the plot, reveal to the experienced eye some subtle
truth that will escape the common herd," - Voltaire in The White Bull.)
I have no doubt that the highest achievement the critic can manage is
to point out some subtlety of genius that escapes 'the common herd' so
that when they read my writing they have an “Ah!” moment – “Oh my god
that is so true/observant.” This act of enlightenment forever changes
the viewer and opens their eyes to watching out for similar phenomena in
future aesthetic experiences. Their taste is more cultivated. Their
standards have been permanently raised.
When it comes to giving negative criticism, much of what I write is all
but ubiquitously noted by the audience, the lay person may notice and
cringe. At other times I notice things most do not, but as far as I’m
concerned they are extremely important, perhaps to the fidelity of the
writing. A common example is that often the actors have not sufficiently
noted what is said about their character by other characters in the
script, and disregarded these hint in their portrayal. Such things may
often escape the regular theatre goer because an actor’s performance can
be internally consistent without while making this error, so in this
way having a cultivated taste could be seen as a liability when it comes
to gaining pleasure from an aesthetic experience. Then what nonsense
does this make of striving to enlighten people just do they can enjoy
theatre less? Surely we want them to enjoy poor theatre less so that
they can enjoy good theatre more.
The companies may appreciate such feedback because they want to be
'better' - they appreciate there is somewhere to go. If not what would
be the point in improving? Why strive to be capable of a Goldberg
variation when any pleasant sounding two-part invention will do?
And then, sophistication isn’t synonymous with quality either. We often also appreciate “the beauty of simplicity.”
What is more, if some of the modernists are to be believed, pleasure is
not necessarily even the critical point of the aesthetic experience.
I recall Martin Dixon saying, 'Is that all you want from music?' - paraphrasing the essential sentiment of Adorno as he did
My response is to say, as a thinker living in post-modern times, “may
many flowers bloom.” Perhaps pleasure is not the critical point of the
aesthetic experience in some cases, and in other cases it is.
While I could never “cultivate” a taste for swing, I once had no taste
for Opera but developed a love for it. Most peoples experience of
Schoenberg or, "worse still", the more impenetrable moderns is that some
study plus considerable exposure is required to "get it".
Adorno commented on the relevance of the techniques used to the music at
hand (I will cite an example in my essay most likely as I remember
reading him comment on such and such a chord in chamber music being
appropriate, but not in such and such another genre.) In this
observation he is not alone. His remarks are actually very mainstream:
in contemporary times the synths so synonymous with 80s pop music sound
disastrously “cheesy” except in pastiche. The “choir” or “harpsichord”
settings on your keyboard, anathema to a hard rock band, sounds
perfectly appropriate and apt in the European “Viking” or “Gothic” metal
genres. Simon Frith, in his essay on “bad music” refers to the kind of
“genre confusion” involved with “getting this wrong” as ‘ridiculous
music… the gap between what performers/producers think they are doing
and what they actually achieve.” Certainly this makes a credible
argument for calling music bad that does not draw upon the
sophistication of the material – music can be both sophisticated
technically and “bad” or “cheesy.”
Adorno’s argument that immanence through self-reference makes music
better is extremely compelling, and yet it seems to be presented as
self-evident and without argument, which makes it difficult to justify
in under the Western analytic tradition. That is the problem I will face
if I wish to make use of any of Adorno’s arguments for what is good or
bad in music.
It's a worthy question. I can't answer it, but I do have a couple of thoughts.
ReplyDeleteLet's look at various definitions of objectivity and see where we get.
1) Imagine you take a large sample of people, then split them into three groups. Group A is those who have never heard music, Group B has heard lots of music and Group C has heard lots AND been well educated in music.
Now imagine we give all of these people new music to listen to and ask them to rate the music, on a scale of 'absolute shit' to 'this is the shit!'. I think we'd find some agreement. The leanings of group C would probably be towards certain features which everyone likes, but they may tend more towards music which is more difficult to replicate.
2) Diminishing returns. When something is common, it loses value. Let's take 2 popular songs: Beethoven's 9th and 'Reach for the Stars' by S Club 7. It's notable that pop songs like S Club 7's take less skill to create than Beethoven's 9th. Perhaps the 'objectively good' element isn't some feature of the music, but only the fact that a Beethoven like symphony is very rare. A good number of people with a keyboard could write shit pop songs, but not many could write classical which had any weight or value. Perhaps this is why pop changes - the genre becomes overloaded and 'pop' must change its style, the new popular is found and takes over. Classical doesn't need to change so readily. There aren't 1,000,000 people on the planet capable of yet another 9th Symphony. Perhaps if there were, Beethoven wouldn't be so impressive.
That's not to say it's not objectively good, but rather that the good lies in the context of its rarity. It's objectively good (like gold is objectively valuable) but not inherently good (like gold isn't inherently valuable). So in this model, Beethoven's gold and S Club 7 is the shit you scrape of your shoe. Both have their uses, but nobody's impressed by the shit on your shoe.
3) Next we have objectivity as measuring some innate property. In this case, the solution becomes easy - we simply ask our educated music listeners to describe some common feature of good music, or a set of common features. This seems promising at first - you can name a dozen common features of good music already, even if you know little about the technical aspects of music. Good music is often like a story, good music is emotionally engaging, good music is not overly repetitive.
Still, I think this definition would fail if someone could either (a) name a few *really* good songs which break most conventional rules or (b) someone could name a few really rubbish songs which are in fact emotionally engaging and tell a story but aren't that impressive. If indeed they aren't that impressive, I suspect it would be because they're easy to replicate - they're common as muck.
Counterexamples will probably come easy, so my intuitions would push me towards the gold/ mud analogy.
Thank you so much Malin for taking the time to post a response, I will mull over what you said when I can and get back to you :-)
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DeleteMining for that gem we define as quality
"I particularly like the ones which, from beneath the veil of the plot, reveal to the experienced
eye some subtle truth that will escape the common herd," - Voltaire in The White Bull.
Hi Malin, thanks again for you comment,
I think your second contention really suffers from a misgiven premise, this one:
"Perhaps this is why pop changes - the genre becomes overloaded and 'pop' must change its style,
the new popular is found and takes over. Classical doesn't need to change so readily. "
the whole development, since the end of the dark ages, of what has generally been referred to as
classical music has been the broadening of the harmonic vocabulary which composers use and
language, so to the ear with even a little trainiing you will be able to identify: Mideval Music,
Baroque Music, Music of the Classical Era going into Beethoven, then Romantic Music - of the two
extremes reprisented by Brahms who took classical froms, mixed them with baroque counterpoint and
romantic emotionality, and on the other hand Wagner, who tried to "rip it up and start again" by
removing certain qualities of music like cadential points (I don't want to get too technical
because I know you don't know the language of music in too much detail) in place of constantly
moving tonal centres - now Wagner is not as "accessible" as Brahms for that reason, and also
because he mostly composed very large operas which much more people find "hard to get into" than
symphonies etc. but his influence on music is huge even though people don't realise it because
there's a direct line between it and the language of Film Score (Star Wars is a prime example
becuase it is full of Leitmotifs which were popularised thought not invented by Wagner - also
music in many Hitchcock films has a direct line to forms created by Wagner.) By the time you get
to the "late Romantic" composers such as Mahler and Prokofiev they really are using a completely
different language from Beethoven and Mozart - all these "horrid dischords" would not have worked
in their music, but by late 19th century they had been tamed and people found ways to make them
work!
The problem began after that, the musical language of the living composers began to stray so far
from what was acceptible to the untrained ear that hardly anyone outside of academic music, or
with a really keen interest in contemporary art listened to it any more!
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DeleteSo while you may think classical music stays the same actually it changed a lot MORE than pop
music did. Adorno makes a big point of this in his essay on popular music. Lets see if I can find
the quote:
The "fundamental characteristic of popular music is standardisation,"
So, as you say, pop music "changes" - you have these short-lived subgenres, like hair metal in
the 80s, nu metal then emo a couple years back. But even when one trend is superseded by another
the standards of structures (32-bar choruses, ABABCB etc.) tend not to change, he says they have
become "frozen." The chord sequences used in say, a Lady Gaga song, are not going to be any
different from some U2 song, or some Spice Girls song, or maybe one from The Human League... and
then, you do have some bands that are harmonically sophisticated like Tears for Fears, or Queen.
Adorno also says the music industry faces a major dilemma in that if people pay no attention to a
song it won't be sold, whereas if they pay proper attention they may no longer accept the
derivative crap it spews out. That's why they invent these hooks.
So what point am I drawing to?
Well, Gerald Abraham, in "This Modern Stuff" makes the great point, using the example of the
string melody in he middle section of L'Apres-midi d'un Faune L'Apres which may very much appeal
to the ear untrained in Modern music, "This is a modern work. here in it is something perfectly
comprehensible and which I like immensely. Therefore this is good modenrn music, not like the
cacophonous rubbish of Bartok and Webern, which is therefore bad..." "Liking for one or two works
like these by modernist composers does not imply abiity to appreciate or understand modern music"
The contention is that a great work does not yield its secrets upon the first listen (Schoenberg)
or at least certainly not all of them (Beethoven)
To use an analogue from another medium, as it is almost unavoidable when speaking of the
aesthetics of music without reference to aesthetics more generally speaking,
Let us consider the example of Dali's dripping clocks.
If we consider, for example Dali's Dripping Clocks:
At first viewing, one will notice the dripping clocks, and if they look closer the beautiful
scenery... beyond that there is the dying tree... and the flat mirror... then the sunset without
a sun. All of these beautious, naturally... but there is a far greater gem to be uncovered which
is the principle underlying each of these things - and that is the death of time. How many have
loved and claim to love this painting without even apprehending the depths of what they are
seeing? I, for one, was truly enlightened.
We may or may not agree a great work requires a number of listens to fully apprehend its quality.
For adorno even this is not sufficient, a truly great work requires some concerted study so that
one may grasp these gems which escape the common herd... But that is not entirely a snobbish
gesture. Adorno presumably wants "the common herd" to become less pedestrian in their tastes.
que?
So you're saying that of the population which listened to music for some time, with intensity, they tend to listen to particular songs, and you think that those songs are the quality songs?
ReplyDeleteAlso - what is wrong with your text, it's driving me mad to read.
sorry how did you draw that conclusion? I'm not really following
DeleteI have no idea! I think its because I copied and pasted from notepad
the thing is you might think that pop music "changes" but it doesn't to a great extent, the forms AABABCBB that are common stay the same, the average length, the types of chord sequences used, and things are very similar they just have apparent "novely" because without it the wouldn't sell.
I don't think those forms are bad, they do their job appropriately, but it's mistaken to think that that music is evolving much, it's only on the cosmetic level which it changes, it's basic components are standardised.